Define torture.
It's funny how often the simplest questions are so hard to answer.
Most of the folks I've talked to define torture the way Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart defined obscenity. They aren't really clear on what the definition should be, but they know it when they see it.
Except they don't; not really. There's a tremendous range of actions that some call torture, and others call acceptable.
In this case, the word torture was being thrown around when all we really knew about was abuse no worse than your average fraternity hazing. Can we really use the same word to describe beating a man to death as we use to describe keeping him awake for an extended period of time?
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I wrote the above Monday night, setting the framework for a discussion on the line on just what torture meant. However, today's events have changed everything, making that discussion irrelevant. The animals of al Qaida have given us a stark lesson in the difference between unsanctioned abuse and systemic torture.
A poor quality videotape on the site showed a man bound to a white plastic chair in a bare room, then kneeling on the floor with five masked men behind him.
The masked men then pushed him to the floor and shouted "God is greatest" above his screams as one of them sawed his head off with a large knife, then held it aloft for the camera.
The Web site said Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, a top ally of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden, was the man who cut off the man's head. The statement in the video was signed off with Zarqawi's name and dated May 11.
It's not even close.
Any rational person can clearly see the wide chasm separating our behavior, even at its worst, from their routine actions. Islamofascists routinely act in ways that seem inhuman to Western mores. They are willing to kill dozens of innocents, even their own people, if it means killing one enemy. And this isn't a new developement, following the revelations of abuse at al Ghraib prison. Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and murdered well before we had invaded Iraq; the 4 contractors were torn to shreds and the Italian had his throat slit long before Al Ghraib became public; suicide bombings and random mortar/rocket attacks have killed hundreds of Iraqi citizens. Any claim that Berg's murder is simply a result of Al Ghraib is sheer nonsense and nothing more than a pathetic excuse for weaklings and cowards to attack the President and his policies. They would play politics with a man's murder.
Let's keep it very simple, in deference to those brain-dead apostles of appeasement.
The responsibility for this outrageous act lies solely and entirely with the men who ordered it and carried it out.
For those who aren't convinced yet, let's compare and contrast these two events.
All of this leads me to a very simple and practical definition of torture. If you can show it on the front page of a newspaper, or on the evening news, it's not torture.
Posted by Rich at May 12, 2004 8:10 AM | TrackBackI guess we all have our own definitions and this becomes a bit of word-games, but I don't think that you are using the same definition of torture in this post as I do. Torture is inflicting pain (both physical or mental) to incent someone to behave in a certain way. Either to dissuade them from doing something or encouraging them to give information. Torture isn't meant to cause death.
Thus the beheading, which obviously was gruesome and terrible and clearly murder, wasn't torture as torture isn't meant to kill people. It obviously wasn't a good thing, but it wasn't "torture".
The fact that the acts were condemned or that the people involved will be punished doesn't make what was done any better. If someone I love is murdured, I am the victim of a crime. Whether the murderer is brought to justice, or the act is condemned by the President or whomever doesn't stop the fact that a murder was committed. And even if the murderer is given a life sentence or the death penalty, its not going to bring back the person that was killed. Similarly, torture is torture no matter what happens afterwards.
If you can show it on the front page of a newspaper, or on the evening news, it's not torture.
There are a lot of photos that we haven't seen which from the reaction of some Senators sound like they were pretty gruesome. Not to mention something on the order of 20 suspicious deaths of detainees in US custody.
Whatever you want to call it, it isn't good. It makes us look like the bad guys. It is counter-productive to what we are supposed to be trying to do. Certainly more people will take up arms against us as a result of seeing these pictures and that's the last thing we need. It certainly doesn't help us win hearts or minds.
Posted by: Manish on May 16, 2004 11:57 PMManish, your definition oftorture completely applies to the Berg decapitation; you have to widen the scope a bit.
Why was Berg killed?
Why was the execution taped?
Why was it immediately released to the media?
What purpose did these murdering animals have?
The answer to all of these questions is obvious; al-Zarqawi and his followers hope to drive America out of Iraq by terrorizing civilian contractors and sapping the will of the people back home. The target of the torture was not Berg; the target is us.
And you missed the thrust of my piece. Clearly, by any objective standard, the actions of al-Zarqawi and his ilk represent a copmpletely different level than those of even the worst abusers in al Ghraib prison. That doesn't make what we did any better; it simply adds perspective to an issue which badly needed it.
Posted by: rich on May 20, 2004 10:22 AM