I've mentioned before that the problem in America with poverty is that the definition is too high, and it comes from a lack of global perspective. I've seen other countries, like Brazil, where poverty is real. People live in cardboard cities that cover acres of countryside. Human waste runs down the center of the path, and the filth is indescribable. How can we apply the same word to them that we apply to a single mother living in a houseing project, making $12,000?
To get a better feel for what I'm talking about, go to the Global Rich List and type in your yearly income. Our hypothetical mom is wealthier than 5.3 billion people, residing comfortably within the top 12% in the world.
Now, this comparison is very simple, and neglects things like relative costs of living, but even so, it is an eye opening reminder of exactly how wealthy we are in the US.
Posted by Rich at September 12, 2003 1:48 PM | TrackBackYou're right. We have it pretty good here in the US. That's why we should let our poor people rot! At least they're rotting in America!
Naturally, because we have it so good, we're neglecting our poor and donating massive portions of our GDP to foreign aid, right? Right? Oh, wait, we're not.
Posted by: Chris Wage on September 12, 2003 3:17 PMdonating massive portions of our GDP to foreign aid, right? Right? Oh, wait, we're not.
Huh? I suggest you re-read the budget.
Posted by: SayUncle on September 12, 2003 4:13 PMAmazing! I apply a little perspective to the situation, and I'm accused of wanting to let the poor rot. I can't find anything in the post in question, or anywhere on my blog in fact, where I suggest that we should allow our poor to rot.
It's knee jerk reactions like this from folks confronted with a reality which doesn't fit their dogmatic propaganda that give liberals the reputation for solving every problem by throwing money at it. (Usually somebody else's money.)
Here's a tip: In order to solve a problem, first you have to identify the problem. Saying, "We have to help the poor!" does not define the problem. What is "poor"? What "help" should we give? What priority should be placed on this help?
Define the parameters of the problem, with hard numbers wherever posible, then devise a solution. That way, you'll have a much better chance of your solution actually addressing the problem.
Posted by: rich on September 12, 2003 6:09 PMRich: That was a very poor post that lacked total respect for our "working poor". Maybe you should be a little more politically correct in your next post...hell...you know that welfare, WIC, Tenncare just isnt enough to help the poor out while they...well..dont work or something like that...I mean, our poor people dont live in boxes, they have electricity, running water, even cable TV, and they can always afford some kind of car...but we are America, and we should feel sorry for our poor that have to (gulp) live in government assisted housing and welfare checks...Anyway, you can just rot Rich...
(sarcasm)
Posted by: Justin on September 12, 2003 10:30 PMChris, you missed the entire point of the post with your "turn a blind eye to everything" leftist thinking...but then again, that doesnt surprise me. Maybe we should just raise taxes...that will solve all our problems wont it?
Posted by: Justin on September 12, 2003 10:34 PMLeaving out the cot of living is a huge flaw though. Almost like manipulating the evidence to fit your needs. What seperates the poor from higher classes that are able to function is the ability to live, work, and survive in the economy of the day. What good would it do for someone making 12,000 dollars a year when it coasts 30,000 to pay the bills and such? Just about as much good as the person in the cardboard box. At least the person in the box won't have to pay property taxes and such. In my opinion it almost evens out when you think about it. The two people are at the same level of poverty even though their income is varies. Marx classified countries by their economy and talked a large ammount about the different class struggles. He talked about the lower classes fight to survive in the economy the day. Nothing has changed since Marx's work. There is a struggle of the lower class and that lower class covers a broad range to the broad range of the standards of living in other countries. Poverty is relative to each country and it is that countries perogative to see the poverty relative to the standard of living. Things are good in the US for most, but there is still homeless. There are still people who cannot put food on the table. As long as there is people like that out there, we should not attempt to help any less. Only after when every child in the US has warm clothes and a roof over their head, there is no need for welfare, and everyone is living comfortably should we start to feel good about we have done. People are out there fighting the good fight and it is time more people should step out on the battle field and presen arms in an effort to achieve victory.
Regards,
JP
True, without considering COL, you can't make direct comparisons, but when the difference is so extreme, where our poverty level income is well above the owrld average, you can draw some general conclusions. Those general conclusions are backed up by observation of real poverty in other nations.
I'm not slamming our poor, or suggesting that they don't need help. All I'm doing is applying a little perspective to the issue. Bottom line is simply this; if you're going to be poor, Americ is the best place in the world to do it.
Posted by: rich on September 17, 2003 4:02 PMPoverty is poverty. The fact is people who are poor cannot nurish themselves here in canada or in africa. If you are unhappy you won't be happier somwhere else.If your leg is broken...it won't be less broken somwhere else .It is just stupid to say that poverty is relative. well actually if you look at it this way... what is poverty ...the lack of money ? Poverty is superficial if we look at it that way because as long as you have food, shelter and clothes you are okay...is povery the lack of material goods ? poverty for some is the lack of friendship, love affection etc.. so in that case poverty is relative. well this is only the opinion of a sixteen year old so...
Posted by: Ali (16) on January 19, 2004 7:42 PM